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:::{{Ping|Lokesha kunchadka}} - Instead of answering to the warning, you are indulging in whataboutery. It is noticed that you are harassing newly joined woman editors. You have continued this in spite of warnings. Hence [[User:Lokesha kunchadka]] is barred from Kannada Wikipedia for a month. If the practice is continued after the expiry of the ban, [[User:Lokesha kunchadka]] will be barred permanently from Kannada Wikipedia.--[[ಸದಸ್ಯ:Pavanaja|ಪವನಜ ಯು. ಬಿ.]] ([[ಸದಸ್ಯರ ಚರ್ಚೆಪುಟ:Pavanaja|ಚರ್ಚೆ]]) ೦೫:೧೧, ೧೭ ಅಕ್ಟೋಬರ್ ೨೦೧೯ (UTC)(Admin, Kannada Wikipedia)
: '''ಸದ್ಯ ಮೇಲಿನ ವಿಚಾರಕ್ಕೆ ನನ್ನ ಒಪ್ಪಿಗೆಯಿದೆ'''. ಸಮುದಾಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಏರು ತಗ್ಗಿನ ಮಾತುಗಳು ಬರುವುದು ಸಹಜ. ಆದರೆ ಹೊಸ ಸಂಪಾದಕರನ್ನು ಆದಷ್ಟು ಆಧರಿಸಿ ಅವರಿಗೆ ಸಲಹೆ, ಸೂಚನೆ, ಮಾರ್ಗದರ್ಶನ ನೀಡಬೇಕಾದದ್ದು ಪ್ರತಿಯೊಬ್ಬ ಹಿರಿಯ ಸಂಪಾದಕರ ಜವಾಬ್ದಾರಿ. ಇಂತಹ ಸಂದರ್ಭದಲ್ಲಿ ಹೊಸ ಸಂಪಾದಕರು ಗಾಬರಿಯಾಗುವುದು, ಅಡಿಟ್ ಮಾಡೋದನ್ನೇ ಬಿಡುವುದು, ಇದರಿಂದೇನು ಲಾಭವೆಂದು ನಿರಾಸೆಗೊಳ್ಳುವುದು ಸಹಜ. ಆರಂಭದಲ್ಲಿ ನನಗೂ ಹೀಗಾಗುತ್ತಿತ್ತು. ತಪ್ಪುಗಳನ್ನು ಎತ್ತಿ ತೋರಿಸುವಾಗ ಸ್ವೀಕರಿಸುವ ಮನೋಭಾವವೂ ಬಹಳ ಮಂದಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಇಲ್ಲ. ತಪ್ಪು ಆದದ್ದು ನನ್ನ ವೀಕ್‌ನೆಸ್ ಅಲ್ಲ. ಆದರೆ ಮಾಡಿದ ತಪ್ಪನ್ನೇ ಮಾಡುವುದು ತಪ್ಪೇ. ಗೊತ್ತಿಲ್ಲದೆ ಆದಾಗ ಹೇಳಿಕೊಡುವವರು ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಹಿತಮಿತವಾದ ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಅರ್ಥವಾಗುವಂತೆ ಒಬ್ಬರಿಗೇ ಕರೆದು, ಆಥವಾ ಫೋನ್ ಕರೆಮಾಡಿ ಹೇಳಿದರೆ ಉತ್ತಮವೂ ಹೌದು. ಯಾಕೆ ಸಮುದಾಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಆಗಾಗ ಜಗಳ ಆಗುತ್ತದೆ? ಅದೂ ನಮ್ಮ ನಮ್ಮ ಮೂಗಿನ ನೇರದ ಜಗಳ. ನಾನು ತಿಳಿದವನು. ಬಿಟ್ಟುಕೊಡಲಾರೆ. ನಾನು ಇನ್ನೂ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ತಿಳಿದವನು. ನಾನು ಬಿಟ್ಟು ಕೊಡಲಾರೆ. ಹೀಗೆ ಉಂಟಾದ ಮನಸ್ತಾಪಗಳು ಯಾವ ಪಂಚಾತಿಗೆಯಿಂದಲೂ ಸರಿಯಾಗಲಾರದು. ಒಳಗೊಳಗಿಂದ ನಡೆಸುವ ಪಿತೂರಿಯವರೂ ಇದ್ದಾರೆ. ಎದುರಿಗೆ ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿರುವುದು ಹಿಂದಿನಿಂದ ಬೈಯೋದು. ನಾವೆಲ್ಲ ಕೆಲಸ ಮಾಡೋದು ಕನ್ನಡ ಭಾಷೆಗಾಗಿ ಎಂಬ ಅರಿವಿದ್ದರೆ ಎಲ್ಲ ಜಗಳಗಳೂ ತಣ್ಣಗಾಗುತ್ತವೆ. ಹೀಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ಸಮುದಾಯದಲ್ಲೂ ಜಗಳ ಇದ್ದರೆ ಅದನ್ನು ಪರಿಹರಿಸೋದು ನಮ್ಮ ಕೆಲಸದಿಂದ. ಉತ್ತಮ ಲೇಖನಗಳನ್ನು ಆಗಾಗ ಮಾಡುವ ಸಂಪಾದನೋತ್ಸವ ಮಾಡೋಣ. ಅಲ್ಲಲ್ಲಿ ಸೇರೋಣ. ಮೈಸೂರು, ಮಂಗಳೂರು, ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು, ಹಂಪಿ, ಶಿವಮೊಗ್ಗ ಹೀಗೆ ಎಲ್ಲ ಕಡೆ ಹೋಗುವ ಅವಕಾಶವೂ ಬರಲಿ. ಸಿರಿಗನ್ನಡಂ ಗೆಲ್ಗೆ. --[[ಸದಸ್ಯ:Vishwanatha Badikana|Vishwanatha Badikana]] ([[ಸದಸ್ಯರ ಚರ್ಚೆಪುಟ:Vishwanatha Badikana|ಚರ್ಚೆ]]) ೦೯:೪೮, ೧೮ ಅಕ್ಟೋಬರ್ ೨೦೧೯ (UTC)
=== Opposition for the way blocking process handled by admin ===
It is very sad to see blocking process happened in this way. I am writing this purely from my personal motivation but not with any interest or concern about blocking [[User:Lokesha kunchadka|Lokesha kunchadka]]. But I have opposition for the way bureaucrat handled this process. I will list out the policies which bureaucrat did not abide by.
Firstly, in the warning [[User:Pavanaja|Pavanaja]] said on Lokesha's [https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF%E0%B2%B0_%E0%B2%9A%E0%B2%B0%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9A%E0%B3%86%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%81%E0%B2%9F:Lokesha_kunchadka#Newbie_biting talkpage] {{Quotation|Many new editors are coming to Kannada Wikipedia because of editathons. I have noticed that you are simply going on adding templates to the articles by these new editors. This is not going to be of much help. The action by you of adding templates to almost every article by new editors will be considered as newbie biting. Your aim may be improving the quality of articles in Kannada Wikipedia, but the outcome might be that the new editors will simply quit editing. Instead of adding these templates, I suggest you to improve the articles and and show the editors how exactly an article can be improved. That example will help the editors rather than the templates added by you. You may even create a tutorial on improving the quality of an article. If you can't do that I reprimand from adding templates to articles at random and doing newbie biting. This is also a warning to you to desist from doing so.--ಪವನಜ ಯು. ಬಿ. (ಚರ್ಚೆ) ೦೯:೧೨, ೧೨ ಅಕ್ಟೋಬರ್ ೨೦೧೯ (UTC)}}
There is no link to the policy and it is not clear what template he was adding and under newbie biting which policy he did not follow. Editor may not know the policy so admin must cite policy pages either in Kannada or English. Newbie biting policy and guidelines are [[:en:WP:Please do not bite the newcomers|here]] and [[:en:WP:Please bite the newbies|here]]. In this case it is the duty of the administrator to give proper citation to the policy and educate before blocking, which is not. Also as I can see the blocked user is only adding “references needed” tags, which is not at all newbie biting. If newbies are getting demotivated by just seeing those tags, it organisers’ responsibility to explain the importance of such tags. If a user doesn’t learn how to receive constructive criticism at the beginning, it will be very problematic when they grow as a user, and eventually affecting the quality of content produced. If a users sends continuous talk page warning, that may count as newbie biting but not this. This should be discussed with the community than just one person deciding on what newbie biting is. And [[User:Arpitha05|Arpitha05]] told {{Quotation|ನಾನು ಆ ಲೇಖನಗಳಿಗೆ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿರುವ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಗಳನ್ನು, ಇನ್ಫೋಬಾಕ್ಸ್, ಆಂತರಿಕ ಮತ್ತು ಬಾಹ್ಯ ಕೊಂಡಿಗಳನ್ನು ಸೇರಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇನೆ. ಅಕ್ಷರಗಳು ಮತ್ತು ವಾಕ್ಯಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ತಪ್ಪಿದ್ದಲ್ಲಿ ಅದನ್ನೂ ಸರಿಪಡಿಸಿ ಲೇಖನ ಸೇರಿಸಿದ ವಿದ್ಯಾರ್ಥಿನಿಯರಿಗೆ ಅದರ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ತಿಳಿಸಿದ್ದೇನೆ ಕೂಡ. ಇದಲ್ಲದೆ ಕೆಲವು ಲೇಖನಗಳ ವಯಕ್ತಿಕ ಜೀವನ ಎಂಬ ವಿಭಾಗವನ್ನು ತೆಗೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ.}} Kindly give the links so that community can understand that problem. <br>
While blocking a proper [[:en:WP:EXPLAINBLOCK|explanation]] and evidence should be given with links, which are not at all seen here. Please provide the evidence of harassing new women Wikipedian. So that community understands the actual situation. And it’s clearly mentioned {{Quotation|Block reasons should avoid the use of jargon as much as possible so that blocked users may better understand them.}} Here admin used “you are indulging in whataboutery”. User many not even understand this. I had to go to a dictionary to see the meaning of the words because it’s Kannada Wikipedia. Block reason could have at least translated. Also please provide links to where you have previously warned the user in question, on Wikipedia about this matter. It was stated that there have been multiple warning given. <br>
I do not see enough community discussion went for long. According to [[:en:WP:INVOLVED|WP:INVOLVED]]
“Do not block someone where you have, or may seem to have, a conflict of interest with regards to the editor in question or the topic in dispute – known as being "involved". This is generally construed very broadly by the community, to include current or past conflicts with an editor (or editors) and disputes on topics, regardless of the nature, age, or outcome of the dispute. However, issuing warnings, calm and reasonable discussion and explanation of those warnings, advice about communal norms, and suggestions on possible wordings and approaches, do not make an administrator 'involved'.” I clearly see [[:en:COI|conflicts of interest]] here. That is Pavanaja conducted workshop and previously Pavanaja and Lokesha commented against each other on CIS-A2K request page on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Requests#oppose Meta]. And Pavanaja was [https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B5%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%80%E0%B2%A1%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AF:%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%82%E0%B2%AA%E0%B2%BE%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%A8%E0%B3%8B%E0%B2%A4%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%B5%E0%B2%97%E0%B2%B3%E0%B3%81/%E0%B2%AE%E0%B2%B9%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%B3%E0%B2%BE_%E0%B2%95%E0%B3%87%E0%B2%82%E0%B2%A6%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%B0%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%A4_%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%82%E0%B2%AA%E0%B2%BE%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%A8%E0%B3%8B%E0%B2%A4%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%B5%E0%B2%97%E0%B2%B3%E0%B3%81-%E0%B3%A8%E0%B3%A6%E0%B3%A7%E0%B3%AE/%E0%B2%89%E0%B2%A1%E0%B3%81%E0%B2%AA%E0%B2%BF#%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%82%E0%B2%AA%E0%B2%A8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AE%E0%B3%82%E0%B2%B2_%E0%B2%B5%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF%E0%B2%95%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%A4%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%97%E0%B2%B3%E0%B3%81 resource person] for the workshop. From this workshop user complained. So [[User:Pavanaja]] should not block [[User:Lokesha kunchadka]]. Instead he can request other admins to do so. <br>
I was trained by [[User:Pavanaja]] and during that time I had informed that when community members add any templates take it positively and they are helping you to write quality articles. But why is not that case now! Why new users are not being motivated positively! Let's [[:en:WP:GF|Assume good faith]] on senior editors and newbie's. --[[ಸದಸ್ಯ:Gopala Krishna A|ಗೋಪಾಲಕೃಷ್ಣ]] ([[ಸದಸ್ಯರ ಚರ್ಚೆಪುಟ:Gopala Krishna A|ಚರ್ಚೆ]]) ೧೧:೪೨, ೨೨ ಅಕ್ಟೋಬರ್ ೨೦೧೯ (UTC)
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